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Compare & Contrast: The SCIBCA Polls
& SoCalHoops Rankings--(Jan. 10, 2001)

The premise of this article is a little silly, but since a lot of people have been attempting to reconcile, compare and contrast our SoCalHoops rankings with those produced by SCIBCA, we thought we'd produce comparison charts for each of the divisions. Not that there's much point in all of this, because, after all the SCIBCA poll is a composite, consensus sort of thing, where groups of coaches and media members vote on their picks, and the votes are then compiled, sorted and a poll is produced, whereas the SCH polls are really not "polls" at all, but just our own singular representation of one person's opinion. . .(ok, we've had some help, but the names will be withheld to protect the innocent. . . )

Also keep in mind that what we're talking about with "rankings" of high school teams is about as far from "science" as you can get. . . it's part art, part math, part personal preferences, and a lot of popularity contest all blended together. . . Kind of like making sausages and legislation, most people would shudder to think how this stuff really happens. . . As we've said before, it might be just as good to have three monkeys sitting at computers or put on a blindfold and throw darts. . . eventually it would probably be just as "good" and just as "accurate". Of course there's no such thing as "accurate" when it comes to such things, but "good". . . well that's a different story.

All of this may be silly, but it does give high school basketball nuts and recruiting fans something to talk about during the season besides who won and who lost, and it's kind of fun as long as you don't get too seriously disturbed or delusional about what the topic is. . . in other words, have fun with this stuff but don't get stressed out about whether a team "should" or "shouldn't" be ranked by either SCIBCA or SoCalHoops in one spot or another. . . .

Also keep in mind that it's a little hard to compare rankings between the official SCIBCA polls and our own SoCalHoops rankings, for the simple reason that we have chosen, at least in the larger enrollment divisions, to go 20 teams deep, whereas SCIBCA's poll only runs 10 team deep (although it does have an "other" category), so it's a bit hard to say whether we missed on a team or didn't. . . .

Lastly, despite the requests on the message board from some folks who want us to "compare and contrast" our rankings (i.e., by setting forth the reasons why we placed a team in one particular spot in contrast to where a group of 10 or 20 high school coaches may have voted a particular team), well . . . we're just not going to do that. Nope. Too time consuming, and not worth, as they say, the powder to blow it up.

Now for the scorecard stuff you'll see below: Like the "game theory" of handgrenades and horseshoes, close is good. Sure exact matches are the best, but the way we look at it, if both polls have included the same schools as somewhere within the overall top selections (i.e., anywhere from 1-20) that's pretty darn good. . . and where that's occurred, we've kept track of it as a "hit". Schools not picked by SCH but appearing on the SCIBCA poll, or vice-versa, are "misses". From our perspective, the way we figure it, if we even had a team in the SCH Top 20/15/10 which garnered enough votes to make the CIF SCIBCA poll, we'll consider that a "Hit". . . On the other hand, if the coaches and media voted for a team that we missed entirely, we'll count that as a "Miss" and vice-versa. . .Doesn't mean one or the other is "right" or "wrong". . . just different. Anyway, here's how the two compare. . . or is it contrast? We never could get that straight. . . .

Division I-AA

No.	SCH Rankings 1/7/01	SCIBCA Rankings 1/8/01	SCH Hit or Miss
1	Upland (14-1)	1. Upland	Hit.
2	Oxnard (14-3)	2. Eisenhower	Hit.
3	Arroyo Grande (16-2)	3. Long Beach Poly	Hit.
4	Long Beach Poly (10-5, 2-0)	4. Arroyo Grande	Hit
5	Ayala (12-2)	5. Jordan	Hit.
6	Eisenhower 10-4	6. Ayala	Hit.
7	AB Miller (12-4)	7T. Ontario	Hit.
8	Canyon Springs (8-6)	7T. Fontana	Hit.
9	Fontana (9-5)	9. Canyon Springs	Hit.
10	Peninsula (10-5)	10. Capistrano Valley	Miss.
		Others:
11	Jordan (11-7)	Oxnard	Hit.
12	LB Millikan (12-5)	AB Miller	Hit.
13	Ontario (9-5)	Etiwanda	Miss.
14	Esperanza (8-8)	Peninsula	Hit.
15	Lakewoood (8-8)	Leuzinger	Hit.
16	Fountain Valley (9-7)	Rialto	Miss.
17	Downey (8-8)
18	Leuzinger (8-6)
19	Arcadia (11-5)
20	Paramount (11-6)
Scorecard: SCH/SCIBCA Hits: 13 SCH Misses: 3; SCIBCA Misses: 7

Division I-AA

No.	SCH Rankings 1/7/01	SCIBCA Rankings 1/8/01	SCH Hit or Miss
1	El Toro (15-1)	1. El Toro	Hit.
2	Crescenta Valley (12-3)	2. Crescenta Valley	Hit
3	San Clemente 11-2	3. Glendora	Hit
4	Glendora (14-2)	4. Thousand Oaks	Hit
5	Warren (13-3)	5. San Clemente	Hit
6	Loyola (10-3, 1-0)	6. Mission Viejo	Hit
7	Thousand Oaks (11-4)	7. Rancho Verde	Hit
8	Mission Viejo (11-5)	8. Murrieta Valley	Hit
9	San Gorgonio (10-6)	9. Warren	Hit
10	Righetti (10-7)	10. Valencia/V	Miss
11	Aliso Niguel (10-6)	Others:
12	Rancho Verde (9-7)	Cajon	Hit
13	Cajon (9-6)	JW North	Miss
14	Quartz Hills
15	Montclair (9-6)
16	Murrieta Valley (9-5)
17	Irvine (9-8)
18	Camarillo (9-8)
19	Silverado (8-7)
20	San Gabriel (9-7)
Scorecard: SCH/SCIBCA Hits: 10; SCH Misses: 2; SCIBCA Misses: 9

Division I-A

No	SCH Rankings 1/7/01	SCIBCA Rankings 1/8/010	SCH Hit or Miss
1	Mater Dei	1. Mater Dei	Hit
2	Corona Centennial	2. Centennial/C	Hit
3	Villa Park	3. Villa Park	Hit
4	Simi Valley	4.T Claremont	Hit
5	Canyon Anaheim	4T. Simi Valley	Hit
6	Mira Costa	6T. El Dorado	Hit
7	Claremont	6T. Woodbridge	Hit
8	Ventura	8. Temescal Canyon	Hit
9	El Dorado	9. Ventura	Hit
10	SB Pacific	10T. Pacific	Hit
11	Temescal Canyon	10T. St John Bosco	Hit
12	St. John Bosco	Other:
13	Woodbridge	Arlington	Hit
14	Riverside Poly	Newport Harbor	Hit
15	Arlington	Trabuco Hills	Miss
16	Newport Harbor
17	Damien
18	Anaheim
19	Perris
20T	Foothill
20T	Troy
Scorecard: SCH/SCIBCA Hits: 13 SCH Misses: 1 SCIBCA Misses: 6

Division II-AA

No.	SCH Rankings 1/7/01	SCIBCA Rankings 1/8/01	SCH Hit or Miss
1	Dominguez	1. Dominguez	Hit
2	Santa Margarita	2. Inglewood	Hit
3	Santa Barbara	3. Santa Margarita	Hit
4	Pasadena	4. Santa Barbara	Hit
5	Inglewood	5. Agoura	Hit
6	Chaparral	6. Elsinore	Miss
7	Westlake	7. Cathedral City	Hit
8	Cathedral City	8. Chaparral	Hit
9	Brea Olinda	9. Gahr	Miss
10	Bellflower	10T. Brea Olinda	Hit
11	Laguna Hills	10T. La Serna	Hit
12	Agoura	Others:
13	Paso Robles	Pasadena	Hit
14T	La Quinta (LQ)	Moorpark	Hit
14T	Moorpark	La Quinta/LQ	Hit
15	Norte Vista	Paso Robles	Hit
16	La Serna	Sonora	Miss
17	Valencia (P)	West Torrance	Miss
18	Rim of the World	Bellflower	Hit
19	Victor Valley
20	South Torrance
Scorecard: SCH/SCIBCA Hits: 14 SCH Misses: 4; SCIBCA Misses: 6

Division II-A

No.	SCH Rankings 1/7/01	SCIBCA Rankings 1/8/01	SCH Hit or Miss
1	Mayfair	1. Mayfair	Hit
2	Muir	2. Redondo	Hit
3	Ocean View	3. Ocean View	Hit
4	Redondo	4. Muir	Hit
5	Artesia	5. Artesia	Hit
6	Compton	6. Bishop Amat	Hit
7	Dos Pueblos	7. Monrovia	Hit
8	Monrovia	8. Dos Pueblos	Hit
9	Bishop Amat	9. Charter Oak	Hit
10	Newbury Park	10. Fullerton	Miss. . .
11	Diamond Ranch	Others:
12	Magnolia	Wilson/HH	Hit
13	HH Wilson	Palm Desert	Hit
14	Servite	Bonita	Hit
15	Charter Oak	Compton	Hit
16	Rosemead	Newbury Park	Hit
17	Palm Desert	Magnolia	Hit
18	Bonita	La Habra	Miss
19	Atascadero	Los Altos	Miss
20

Scorecard: SCH/SCIBCA Hits: 15 SCH Misses: 3; SCIBCA Misses: 3

Division III-AA

This one is easy and there's no comparison (or contrast either) because evidently the people responsible in this division didn't report their results. So there's no SCIBCA Division III-AA poll. Don't believe us? Check it out at this link. . . maybe they'll update it later, maybe not. . . As a result, all we've got to work with is our own poll.

Division IV-AA

Among the message board posters, this division seems to be the most controversial in terms of reconciling our SCH picks with those of the SCIBCA panel. . . and all we can say to that is that there's no accounting for taste. . . remember, this isn't a science, and it's just an expression of opinion, and in our case, if anyone disagrees, that's what the message board is there for. . . and this seems to be our worst "hit or miss" score since we only went 10 (actually 11) deep whereas the SCIBCA poll actually went 16, there were, just by numbers alone, 5 more spots we purposely didn't fill with teams. Both polls agree on at least 10 teams as being deserving of being in the top 16, it's just a question of the ordering. Guess we've gotta see more of the D-IV teams. . .

No.	SCH Rankings 1/7/01	SCIBCA Rankings 1/8/01	SCH Hit or Miss
1	Crespi	1. Crespi	Hit
2	St. Paul	2. Murphy	Hit
3	La Salle	3. Northwood	Hit
4	Marshall (Pasadena)	4. St Paul	Hit
5	Murphy	5. La Salle	Hit
6	Twentynine Palms	6. Valley Christian/C	Hit
7	Rosamond	7. Oak Park	Miss
8	Valley Christian-Cerritos	8. Orange Lutheran	Miss
9	Northwood	9. St Bonaventure	Hit
10T	Kern Valley	10.Marshall	Hit
10T	St. Bonaventure	Others:
		Twentynine Palms	Hit
		Duarte	Mis
		Rosamond	Hit
		Big Bear	Miss
		Beaumont	Miss
		El Segundo	Miss
Scorecard: SCH/SCIBCA Hits: 10 SCH Misses: 5; SCIBCA Misses: 1

Division IV-A

Another somewhat controversial division for some people. . . but less so than Division IV-AA. Taking each top 10, SCH and SCIBCA agree on 6 out of 10 for inclusion, but just not on the order. . .

No.	SCH Rankings 1/7/01	SCIBCA Rankings 1/8/01	SCH Hit or Miss
1	Crossroads	1. Crossroads	Hit
2	St. Monica	2. St Monica	Hit
3	Calvary Chapel Santa Ana	3. St Bernard	Hit
4	St. Bernard	4. LA Baptist	Hit
5	Maranatha	5. Cathedral	Miss
6	Providence	6. Maranatha	Hit
7	LA Baptist	7. Calvary Chapel/SA	Hit
8	Silver Valley	8. Mojave	Miss
9	Loma Linda	9. St Joseph	Miss
10	Mary Star	10. Desert Christian/L	Miss
		Others:
		Brentwood	Miss
		Providence	Hit
		Loma Linda Academy	Hit
		Salesian	Miss
Scorecard: SCH/SCIBCA Hits: 8 SCH Misses: 6; SCIBCA Misses: 2

Division V-AA

SCH picked 7 more teams than SCIBCA's poll, but there is just about universal agreement on the teams selected by each for inclusion among the top 10, and then with only slight differences in the order of ranking. . . a lot of people criticized our selection of Serra over Pac Hills, particularly since Serra lost to Pac Hills by 16 last week, and the SCIBCA gods have spoken on that one, reversing our ordering. Here's the scorecard and comparison chart

No.	SCH Rankings 1/7/01	SCIBCA Rankings 1/8/01	SCH Hit or Miss
1	Verbum Dei	1. Calvary Chapel/D	Hit
2	Calvary Chapel Downey	2. Verbum Dei	Hit
3	Serra	3. Pacific Hills	Hit
4	Buckley	4. Buckley	Hit
5	Pacific Hills	5. Kilpatrick	Hit
6	Yeshiva	6. Serra	Hit
7	Chadwick	7. Arrowhead Christian	Hit
8	Kilpatrick	8. Western Christian	Hit
9	Western Christian	9. Chadwick	Hit
10	Ribet	10T. Yeshiva	Hit
11	Desert	10T. Ribet	Hit
12	Bell Jeff	Holy Martyrs	Hit
13	Pasadena Poly	Montclair Prep	Hit
14T	Campbell Hall	Desert	Hit
14T	Arrowhead Christian Academy	Ontario Christian	Miss
15	Oakwood
16	Bishop Diego
17	Holy Martyrs
18	Rolling Hills Prep
19	Montclair Prep
20T	Flintridge Prep
20T	St. Anthony
Scorecard: SCH/SCIBCA Hits: 14 SCH Misses: 1; SCIBCA Misses: 5

Division V-A

Finally, this is a division that we can only do our best to guess at. . . .put that blindfold on and throw those darts. . . still there was some agreement between the two polls.

No.	SCH Rankings 1/7/01	SCIBCA Rankings 1/8/01	SCH Hit or Miss
1	Price	1. Price	Hit
2	Stoneridge Prep	2. Antelope Valley Christian	Hit
3	Tarbut V' Torah	3. Tarbot V’Torah	Hit
4	North County Christian	4. Stoneridge Prep	Hit
5	Antelope Valley Christian	5. Desert Christian/Bermuda Dunes	Hit
6	Orangewoood Academy	6. West LA Baptist	Hit
7	Hesperia Christian	7. Cornerstone Christian	Miss
8	Rio Hondo Prep	8. Calvary Chapel/Redlands	Hit
9	Bloomington Christian	9. North County Christian	Hit
10	Desert Christian--Bermuda Dunes	10. Orangewood	Hit
11	Valley Christian --Santa Maria	Others:
12	West Los Angeles Baptist	Ambassador Christian	Miss
13	Big Pine	Hesperia Christian	Hit
14	Calvary Chapel--Redlands	Rio Hondo Prep	Hit
15	Hillcrest Christian--Thousand Oaks		Miss
Scorecard: SCH/SCIBCA Hits: 11 SCH Misses: 2; SCIBCA Misses: 1